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by Maia Liadan on 2004-08-12
I just want to say...that sounds exactly like my fiancee!! Exactly!

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by Rene on 2004-11-19
It sounds exactly like a lot of people, dragon or otherwise. But even in a flippant fumbling exercisem there can be some clarity. To anyone who's found some significance in this, for yourself or someone you know, have a shot at defining the lable. I promise it will be worth the time.


Thanks
by Wolfsong on 2004-08-24
Just that, thanks. This article has taught me something about a person that I've tried to be close to, but have never really gotten near. Thank you far writing it, so that I might see it and give it to him, so that he can understand.

Song

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I am Awed
by Kendall Silver on 2004-08-30
Thank you. That is all that I can think to say, I have ALWAYS felt different and separate from those around me, this truly touched me I cannot thank you enough for sharing this work with the world.

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how do you define a dragon?
by j c on 2004-09-21
Are you a dragon? have you ever met a dragon?

Oh and one more question.

Why bother trying to define another be,beig, beaninge,thing???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????

How could you posibly define something you are not

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by on 2004-11-19
When did I say I wasn't a dragon?

To clarify, this was written for purposes of self-definition, not to define others. And even as a self-definer, this is lacking, but I enjoyed writing it.


by Vlad on 2004-10-19
I can say many of those traits (not the physical ones necessarily) apply to a lot of other races. I can say I know dragons for whom many of those traits do not apply. It is a good pep talk, but I honestly cannot say it is more or les than the astrologer who writes a generic list of characteristics for a zodiac sign- some will say "wow, that is exactly it" others will say "that isn't right at all" and still others may say "that is more like me than what they said for my sign". Were I to ask the question, I don't think I would be satisfied with that answer.

Keep trying to answer the question. Keep this and look back on it at some later point, see what you can add, what then seems silly, and write it out again from a new perspective. I don't think it possible to truly define a dragon, as so many are radically different, but keep at it as it may become a valuable learning tool in self growth.

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by Rene on 2004-11-19
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, Vlad.

In truth, I'm not at all satisfied with this article. It was written in my journal at some terribly early hour in the morning, as a stream of thought entry that was meant much, much for the exercise rather than the conclusions. I want it to be challemged. Almost immediatelt after writing it, I had some major objections to it and on thw hole, I don't find it a suitable defeinition (see my second article) nor do I know if it's really possible to get a satisfactory definition.

So why did I say yes to having it published, if even I disagree with my own writings and find them utterly inadequate? Because I don't think it's wrong to try for a definition. I try now and then and sometimes the results ae much beter than others. And for many people, otherkin or not, trying to actually define their lables rather than simply wearing them can be a very enlightening bit of navel-gazing. Proces, not product. I'd like people too see this and agree, or disagree, or agree partially, and then examine tose responses. I'd like to get away from the idea that it's expressly inappropriate in the otherkin community to use lables and definitions which are exclusive and don't fit everyone. It's a concept deigned to be gentle on feelingas, but people are diverse; I simply don't think it's possible, lacking physical characteristics, to make a set of identifiers that won't directly oppose a valid member of the group. And maybe not even then.

But that's okay. That's also why this was a failed attempt in product but a rewarding exercise in process. My own truthful thoughts on how -I- mentally categorize dragons would say a lot about me, but if anything, would be even more specific and narrow and exclusive.

And as long as it's understood that the definition is written for purposes of personal sorting and not an attempt to define others, that's fine.

But the truth is, I've never seen anyone come close to doing a satisfactory definition for -any- kin type. The differences in-group are too big. But as an exercise for personal gain? Now, that's not so bad.


by on 2004-11-19
Please excuse the typos. It looks unprofessional, but I've a broken arm.


What dragons are
by stephanie on 2004-11-06
I think I have encountered a few and they are wonderful creatures and extremely misunderstood. Perhaps I am one myself, who knows?

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by on 2004-11-19
Who knows indeed :)


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by Rene on 2004-11-19
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, Vlad.

In truth, I'm not at all satisfied with this article. It was written in my journal at some terribly early hour in the morning, as a stream of thought entry that was meant much, much for the exercise rather than the conclusions. I want it to be challemged. Almost immediatelt after writing it, I had some major objections to it and on thw hole, I don't find it a suitable defeinition (see my second article) nor do I know if it's really possible to get a satisfactory definition.

So why did I say yes to having it published, if even I disagree with my own writings and find them utterly inadequate? Because I don't think it's wrong to try for a definition. I try now and then and sometimes the results ae much beter than others. And for many people, otherkin or not, trying to actually define their lables rather than simply wearing them can be a very enlightening bit of navel-gazing. Proces, not product. I'd like people too see this and agree, or disagree, or agree partially, and then examine tose responses. I'd like to get away from the idea that it's expressly inappropriate in the otherkin community to use lables and definitions which are exclusive and don't fit everyone. It's a concept deigned to be gentle on feelingas, but people are diverse; I simply don't think it's possible, lacking physical characteristics, to make a set of identifiers that won't directly oppose a valid member of the group. And maybe not even then.

But that's okay. That's also why this was a failed attempt in product but a rewarding exercise in process. My own truthful thoughts on how -I- mentally categorize dragons would say a lot about me, but if anything, would be even more specific and narrow and exclusive.

And as long as it's understood that the definition is written for purposes of personal sorting and not an attempt to define others, that's fine.

But the truth is, I've never seen anyone come close to doing a satisfactory definition for -any- kin type. The differences in-group are too big. But as an exercise for personal gain? Now, that's not so bad.

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by on 2004-11-19
Please excuse the typos. It looks unprofessional, but I've a broken arm.


by on 2004-11-19
Please excuse the typos. It looks unprofessional, but I've a broken arm.

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by on 2004-11-19
When did I say I wasn't a dragon?

To clarify, this was written for purposes of self-definition, not to define others. And even as a self-definer, this is lacking, but I enjoyed writing it.

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by on 2004-11-19
Who knows indeed :)

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by Rene on 2004-11-19
It sounds exactly like a lot of people, dragon or otherwise. But even in a flippant fumbling exercisem there can be some clarity. To anyone who's found some significance in this, for yourself or someone you know, have a shot at defining the lable. I promise it will be worth the time.

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I dont agree fully
by Sultor on 2004-12-05
I agree dragons are there and here in present past and future, I believe alot of your text, the fact about dragons I believe, is that they help people alot, just in a non-frontal way, I dont agree with the fact their cold, to me a dragon uphold honor, loyalties, and bravery in the most, they may think a bit high of themselves at times, but are very wise and very respectful to those he deems worthy or is respectful in term to the dragon, thats just my thoughts on them. You dont have to agree.

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Thank you
by Kisar on 2005-05-13
You definitly touched on something with this. I've never seen such a good description, explination and understanding of this kind of nature. Thank you for sharing this, you spoke to something inside me which is now swelling with recognition and pride.

:D

<3<3<3

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by Sigilos on 2005-05-27
Two Words. Holy Crap.

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What Dragons Are
by Senzabay on 2005-07-01
This article describes me. A Dragon.

Most excellent, even if the author had second thoughts as noted in comments.

Thank you for your initial and creative definition. Look again as you could not write this without being a dragon.


What Dragons Are
by Senzabay on 2005-07-01
This article describes me. A Dragon.

Most excellent, even if the author had second thoughts as noted in comments.

Thank you for your initial and creative definition. Look again as you could not write this without being a dragon.

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by on 2005-07-13
words are not reality but spellings or models or stories. the word rock has no reality of its own. have an open mind to the stories people use to explain or cast light on their realities - the old stories, cultures, established cults are dominant and you know them. in this time when people are inventing their own cultures and stories, this one of dragons , elves, faeries and the like is one i am becoming more acquainted with. i really enjoyed reading this article and had a big smile on my face.
creative/artist/art/artifice/illusion/story
if you are lucky/cursed enough to decide to make your own story/culture from all the information you have been exposed to over your lifetime then you are entering a culture of one where you are the master. you are self realised. your own master.
dragons - a word, enough said

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by DarkFyre on 2006-04-14
Ok. this may apply to many, and yes, many of these do apply to a fair bit of the dragons I know, but they are often times younger (for a dragon's age anyway) and haven't learned that everything was created for a purpose so therefore they cannot simply choose who to be rude to and who not to be rude to. I am sure you realize this as, in previous comments you said you weren't as satisfied with this as you'd like, but I like to comment on the very few things I know about. :) So, continuing on. Individualism applies to everything. even two identically cut diamonds would have something different to tell you besides that even the hardest of entities has a soft spot that can shatter their existence. Also, you didn't add anything about dragon magicks, whether this was purposefully done or not, I have no idea, it's none of my business. But some say dragon magicks are hard, and some have heard of them but never researched them (btw you can't find much on them online), and some believe them to be a myth. I suppose you went for the psychological and personality traits for this description, but I don't know what all you know so I won't try and teach here. It was a good article, just making it sound like many dragons are arrogant, which many of them are, but the few oldest ones have learned better but then, these all live in a realm that no one can access unless they take you there. But I'm not going to get into all of that. As I've said earlier, it was a good article, and applies to many, but the older ones that might still live in this realm would find it accurate, yet in other ways, a little bit making dragons sound arrogant and yes, I know, many many are, but not all.

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by wicthdragon on 2008-10-08
I loved what you wrote and I also found it relatable to my self in some ways and just liked what you wrote it.


by wicthdragon on 2008-10-08
I loved what you wrote and I also found it relatable to my self in some ways and just liked what you wrote it.

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by kevin on 2008-10-26
I very much enjoyed the description, my heart danced when I read it. I don't agree with everything you said but it only made it all the better. It was so correct yet so wrong, I would love to talk with you one day. I've been apart from others who I could relate to in such a way for too long. Thank you for the beautiful article

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by kevin on 2008-10-26
I would love if you would be willing to email me at kevmaltz@yahoo.com

I'm aching to talk with you


by kevin on 2008-10-26
I would love if you would be willing to email me at kevmaltz@yahoo.com

I'm aching to talk with you

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I just read about myself..
by DragonFaye on 2010-11-01
And finally, something that feels right! I've always had a hard time trying to describe what a dragon is, but OH do you get it right! I just want to thank you for a really well-written and spot-on article! :) Nad thank's for making me learn something new about myself, once more. Bless/ Faye, a lonely Swedish dragon (and part elf, part Therian but mostly dragon).

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